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Fallacy: Appeal to Futility

Appeal to Futility Fallacy—arguing that there is no point in doing something because nothing will change. A variation of “it’s all the same” and a close cousin of “Just shut up, please stop talking.” Example, “government is just human nature so there’s nothing we can do about its unlimited growth.”

Please beware of anyone who advocates for such a position. We try to bring about change one guy at a time here. That’s all we can do. Anyone, anywhere who insinuates that you should “just give up” is no friend of yours and no friend of men’s rights…period. I’ve noticed this approach a lot in the manosphere. More and more people saying “there’s nothing we can do the size of the state. It’s inevitable.” It’s no such thing. That’s a lie and merely an excuse to be lazy. Many of these individuals are afraid of their own freedom and if you are afraid of your own freedom you have no value as a men’s rights proponents. This is a no liar and no coward zone. Free men only.

Another variant of this approach is “there’s no right/left” due to history…meaning they weren’t always used in the same exact manner. In Russia, left and right could both be communists so…There is no “so.” The political spectrum can best be regarded as
LEFT–Total Government
VS.
RIGHT–No GOV

Most of us who are involved with men’s rights believe in limited government. We are on the right side of the spectrum. Exactly where we sit depends on the individual, but all of us embrace individual freedom as our highest criteria. The crucial question that needs to be asked is “how does the welfare state benefit men?” The most common and correct answer to this question is, “It does not.” We need a safety net in society but not an omnipresent, omnipotent state structure that oppresses the individual.

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14 Comments

  1. Eric
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 6:02 am | Permalink

    Chapin:
    Excellent article. I’ve seen this same thing pop up in the Manosphere a lot recently too. There’s some men who even argue that we should embrace the Welfare State and that men who continue to work and such are ‘suckers’.

    I’m sick of this Trash Culture mentality being foisted on men from all sides.

  2. Posted August 20, 2014 at 7:40 am | Permalink

    “how does the welfare state benefit MOST men”. Sorry, just mincing words.

    And, as far as left/right go – well – I do not like the left – and there are few right politicians that I care for either.

    What ever happened to the term “femiservative”?

    Is that a fallacy?

    • tycrum
      Posted August 20, 2014 at 11:03 pm | Permalink

      “What ever happened to the term “femiservative”?”
      It’s a word you made up. No conservatives are command and control feminists who wish to attack men via the power of the state.

      • Eric
        Posted August 21, 2014 at 12:10 am | Permalink

        Tycrum:
        Correction: no REAL conservatives are. But there are a lot of so-called Neo-Conservatives out there who preach Feminism with a Smiling Face.

        • UncleBern00
          Posted August 21, 2014 at 12:43 am | Permalink

          like who?

          • Eric
            Posted August 21, 2014 at 4:15 am | Permalink

            Among male feminists on the Right, I’d list: Bill Bennett, Thomas Fleming, and Sean Hannity. Among women, Sarah Palin, Ann Coulter, Laura Schlessinger, and Laura Ingraham.

            What they all have in common is distaste for male sexuality and believe strongly in the whole concept of women being the ‘civilizing force over men’.

          • UncleBern00
            Posted August 21, 2014 at 7:35 am | Permalink

            you’re confusing “female valuing” or “female appreciating” with feminist, none of them would think feminists are a civilizing force over anything, all are the enemies of feminism. When you use feminism as a synonym for woman you parrot the language and beliefs of the feminist. That’s a lie

          • Eric
            Posted August 22, 2014 at 3:10 am | Permalink

            I don’t think that women and feminists are synonymous; but the writers I linked above seem to exhibit a distinct tendency towards female gender supremacy, which is synonymous with feminism.

  3. UncleBern00
    Posted August 22, 2014 at 7:44 am | Permalink

    No, none of those authors believe in identity politics and none of them believe in female supremacy. if they did they wouldn’t be conservatives

    • Eric
      Posted August 23, 2014 at 12:08 am | Permalink

      I’ll agree with you that they don’t support Identity Politics, but I’m not sure about the female supremacy issue with them.

      But you’re right, no real Conservative believes those things. The point I was making is beware of wolves in sheeps’ clothing!

  4. Ad Verdiesen
    Posted August 22, 2014 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

    postmodernism is backwwarding, all this gender cowshit, identity politics and sexualization, YEAGH, rechange back the pseudological LIES femini$$m-samesexuality-atheism into true progression again NOW! YES WE CAN!

  5. Posted August 27, 2014 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

    Quite a debate over a word “femiservative”.

    Just curious – can you give examples of right-wing politicians (currently alive) that are worth voting for?

    And why?

  6. UncleBern00
    Posted August 27, 2014 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    Why? Try watching a video dumbo i have 2620 of them to choose from
    Who? Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Jeff Sessions, Mike Lee, Louie Gohmert, Justin Amash etc. Great guys wish they’d get elected.
    Just curious–how can a guy be so dumb as to talk about politics when he doesn’t know the first thing about it?

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